From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,9a5f3bd162009c01 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Hyman Rosen" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GNAT GPL 2005: Too clever by half? Date: 26 Sep 2005 11:28:01 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1127759281.528756.277520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <70e0e$4331acfc$4995583$14979@ALLTEL.NET> <87hdcew7wq.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <1127511077.919641.107390@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127511845.326730.136640@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127598547.091846.174720@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.253.248.208 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1127759286 4260 127.0.0.1 (26 Sep 2005 18:28:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:28:06 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 (No IDN) Firefox/1.0.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=204.253.248.208; posting-account=lJDDWg0AAACmMd7wLM4osx8JUCDw_C_j Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:5161 Date: 2005-09-26T11:28:01-07:00 List-Id: Chad R. Meiners wrote: > When you invoke a property established by a theorem, are you making a > copy of that theorem. No, you are not. This is beside the point. Yes you are. Whether the proof includes existing results by reference rather than by value is irrelevant, just as it is (mostly) in your favorite programming language. The fact is that without the intense labor of the people whose proofs are being used, further work based upon them could not be done. And yet those people remain uncompensated by the users. > Your statement is self-contradictory. No. For example, I am compensated for my labor as a programmer. But I work for a bank, so my work is for-hire. I do not control what happens to my work, or who may use it. I will not receive any further compensation should my work be incorporated into a program which my employer might choose to sell. And yet, I do not feel ill-used. Quite the contrary in fact. > Furthermore, the quote "Stallman would simply deny you the > ability to prevent others from using the product of your > labor." reads as "Stallman prevents you from protecting > yourself from the theft of your labor", which is a pretty > serious violation of our rights. But there is no theft involved. Stallman is advocating a condition which he would like to see exist. Were it to be so, programmers would know ahead of time that they could not control how their work is used by others. Then they could freely choose to participate or not. As it stands, I feel that it is theft that the governments take my tax money and use it to prevent people from copying protected works. Why should my money go to assure someone else's profits?