From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,9a5f3bd162009c01 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "rleif" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GNAT GPL 2005: Too clever by half? Date: 25 Sep 2005 11:42:31 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1127673750.978298.203460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: <70e0e$4331acfc$4995583$14979@ALLTEL.NET> <87hdcew7wq.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <1127511077.919641.107390@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127511845.326730.136640@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127598547.091846.174720@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <4335d12b$0$16491$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> <1127602235.480641.139390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <4336bdfd$0$26212$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net> <1127665564.878144.147040@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.105.82.40 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1127673756 25745 127.0.0.1 (25 Sep 2005 18:42:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 18:42:36 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1127665564.878144.147040@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461; SV1; MathPlayer 2.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.105.82.40; posting-account=CLTtIAwAAACE70_lTUqPJ5v3p8iosmLf Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:5153 Date: 2005-09-25T11:42:31-07:00 List-Id: Those of you attending SIGAda 2005 in Atlanta (http://www.acm.org/sigada/conf/sigada2005/)can continue this discussion at the Commercializing Ada workshop on Wednesday, November 16. A presentation on the Progresssive Software approach will be given by Robert Leif with material created by Marius Alves. Bob Leif Chad R. Meiners wrote: > From: Georg Bauhaus > > That's contained in the smiley. > People tend to sell others' work as their own. I'm not saying you > do. Some licenses permit this, some licenses ask to not mention, > others require that you mention others' work. > In case people complain that they cannot "overwrite" the terms > and conditions of the GPLicense with their own, it is only fair > to ask whether they intend to sell others' work as their own. > I did use the word "ask" knowing that I didn't really > ask in the sense of asking, asking you not to question my use > of asking on the ground of questionable monosemy. > <\quote> > > Oh come on. I haven't even complained about not being able to > overwrite the GPL. You are jumping the gun and assuming that I have > all these problems with the GPL. Just because I am critical of RMS > doesn't mean that I am against various projects that he works on. I am > an avid user of emacs for example. > > However, the GPL doesn't prevent people from stealing your labor. It > might prevent someone from taking you labor and hiding it under a > bucket, but it does not prevent thief. > > > Natural language not only invites interpretation, the fact that > it cannot be formalized, let alone be coverd by {T, F}, is central > to some of the most precious pieces of human heritage. > <\quote> > > Just because we can't formalize natural language does not mean that we > do not need to be careful when interpreting it. If anything it means > that we need to be more precise, and that we should ask for > clarification more often. > > This is why I am critical of statements like "The GPL simply prevents > others from stealing your labor." Such statements are so imprecise > that they are useless. Sure it sounds like great propaganda, but the > statement isn't actually true. > > If you want to discuss this more, let's do it over email. > > -CRM