From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,9a5f3bd162009c01 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Chad R. Meiners" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GNAT GPL 2005: Too clever by half? Date: 25 Sep 2005 09:26:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1127665564.878144.147040@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <70e0e$4331acfc$4995583$14979@ALLTEL.NET> <87hdcew7wq.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <1127511077.919641.107390@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127511845.326730.136640@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127598547.091846.174720@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <4335d12b$0$16491$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> <1127602235.480641.139390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <4336bdfd$0$26212$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 35.11.49.186 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1127665570 13489 127.0.0.1 (25 Sep 2005 16:26:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 16:26:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=35.11.49.186; posting-account=paoWPg0AAABe-C1bfTlsEbfoc5yNqKFn Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:5147 Date: 2005-09-25T09:26:04-07:00 List-Id: From: Georg Bauhaus That's contained in the smiley. People tend to sell others' work as their own. I'm not saying you do. Some licenses permit this, some licenses ask to not mention, others require that you mention others' work. In case people complain that they cannot "overwrite" the terms and conditions of the GPLicense with their own, it is only fair to ask whether they intend to sell others' work as their own. I did use the word "ask" knowing that I didn't really ask in the sense of asking, asking you not to question my use of asking on the ground of questionable monosemy. <\quote> Oh come on. I haven't even complained about not being able to overwrite the GPL. You are jumping the gun and assuming that I have all these problems with the GPL. Just because I am critical of RMS doesn't mean that I am against various projects that he works on. I am an avid user of emacs for example. However, the GPL doesn't prevent people from stealing your labor. It might prevent someone from taking you labor and hiding it under a bucket, but it does not prevent thief. Natural language not only invites interpretation, the fact that it cannot be formalized, let alone be coverd by {T, F}, is central to some of the most precious pieces of human heritage. <\quote> Just because we can't formalize natural language does not mean that we do not need to be careful when interpreting it. If anything it means that we need to be more precise, and that we should ask for clarification more often. This is why I am critical of statements like "The GPL simply prevents others from stealing your labor." Such statements are so imprecise that they are useless. Sure it sounds like great propaganda, but the statement isn't actually true. If you want to discuss this more, let's do it over email. -CRM