From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 109fba,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 115aec,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: f43e6,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid109fba,gid115aec,gidf43e6,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!nntp.abs.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!tsicnews.teliasonera.com!news.otenet.gr!news.grnet.gr!newsfd02.forthnet.gr!not-for-mail From: Ioannis Vranos Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.realtime,comp.software-eng Subject: Re: Teaching new tricks to an old dog (C++ -->Ada) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:48:05 +0200 Organization: FORTHnet S.A., Atthidon 4, GR-17671 Kalithea, Greece, Tel: +30 2109559000, Fax: +30 2109559333, url: http://www.forthnet.gr Message-ID: <1110527288.556327@athnrd02> References: <4229bad9$0$1019$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <1110032222.447846.167060@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <871xau9nlh.fsf@insalien.org> <3SjWd.103128$Vf.3969241@news000.worldonline.dk> <87r7iu85lf.fsf@insalien.org> <1110052142.832650@athnrd02> <42309456$1@news.broadpark.no> <1110517093.881184.281320@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: athnrd02.forthnet.gr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: athprx02.forthnet.gr 1110527288 27269 193.92.150.73 (11 Mar 2005 07:48:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@forthnet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:48:08 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Cache-Post-Path: newsfd02!unknown@ppp16-adsl-170.ath.forthnet.gr Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9109 comp.lang.c++:45085 comp.realtime:1252 comp.software-eng:4820 Date: 2005-03-11T09:48:05+02:00 List-Id: Pascal Obry wrote: > That's not a misunderstanding. That's how Sun has described Java. They started > from C++ and have removed many unsafe features. They eventually stop the > process at some point and this has given birth to Java. That's history. The bottom line is that as a language itself it has less abilities than C++, the framework being another case. There is an upcoming ECMA C++/CLI standard (that will be finished probably this month), which is about ISO C++ extensions for taking advantage of a CLI VM when one is available (it replaces and extends Microsoft's current "managed extensions" for C++). You may download the latest draft from here: http://www.plumhall.com/C++-CLI%20draft%201.8.pdf With C++/CLI and VC++ 2005, C++ becomes the systems programming language of CLI (and .NET): You may take a look at these: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/05/01/COptimizations/default.aspx http://pluralsight.com/blogs/hsutter/archive/2004/10/05/2672.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/branbray/archive/2003/11/07/51007.aspx http://www.accu.org/conference/presentations/Sutter_-_Is_C++_Relevant_on_Modern_Environments_%28keynote%29.pdf And a page of mine: http://www23.brinkster.com/noicys/cppcli.htm With C++/CLI, C++ has two worlds: The unmanaged world and the managed world. In the managed world every CLI (.NET) feature is provided separately from the unmanaged world features. -- Ioannis Vranos http://www23.brinkster.com/noicys