From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 109fba,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 115aec,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: f43e6,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid109fba,gid115aec,gidf43e6,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!tsicnews.teliasonera.com!news.otenet.gr!news.grnet.gr!newsfd02.forthnet.gr!not-for-mail From: Ioannis Vranos Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.realtime,comp.software-eng Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Teaching new tricks to an old dog (C++ -->Ada) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:36:08 +0200 Organization: FORTHnet S.A., Atthidon 4, GR-17671 Kalithea, Greece, Tel: +30 2109559000, Fax: +30 2109559333, url: http://www.forthnet.gr Message-ID: <1110515770.284235@athnrd02> References: <4229bad9$0$1019$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <1110032222.447846.167060@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <871xau9nlh.fsf@insalien.org> <3SjWd.103128$Vf.3969241@news000.worldonline.dk> <87r7iu85lf.fsf@insalien.org> <1110052142.832650@athnrd02> <42309456$1@news.broadpark.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: athnrd02.forthnet.gr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: athprx02.forthnet.gr 1110515770 18685 193.92.150.73 (11 Mar 2005 04:36:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@forthnet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:36:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Cache-Post-Path: newsfd02!unknown@ppp16-adsl-170.ath.forthnet.gr Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9090 comp.lang.c++:45055 comp.realtime:1236 comp.software-eng:4804 Date: 2005-03-11T06:36:08+02:00 List-Id: Pascal Obry wrote: > Note that it is for this very reason that Java was born (a safer C++). Java > has indeed removed lot of unsafe constructs from C++. Please do not start a real flame! Java is far behind C++. It is a silver bullet. Check this interesting article about silver bullets: http://www.itworld.com/AppDev/710/lw-02-stroustrup/page_1.html Also do not confuse the language with its framework. It is a language using a closed to other languages framework. When I compare C++ to Java, I compare C++ on .NET vs Java on Java framework. Java *loses* in both areas regarding facilities. Regarding Ada I think it is interesting language, with about the same design ideals (a bias to systems programming) with C++, and this time my opinion is that both languages provide some advantages and disadvantages between them. In general we can say they are the same "powerful" (=expressiveness, low level abilities, high level abilities), and with C++ providing more paradigms and complete paradigm support, and Ada providing more implicit safety. -- Ioannis Vranos http://www23.brinkster.com/noicys