From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c4cb2c432feebd9d X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,c4cb2c432feebd9d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid1094ba,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!news4.google.com!news2.volia.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.karotte.org!uucp.gnuu.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.arcor.de!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Subject: Re: Ada vs Fortran for scientific applications Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.fortran User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de Organization: cbb software GmbH References: <0ugu4e.4i7.ln@hunter.axlog.fr> <%P_cg.155733$eR6.26337@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <6H9dg.10258$S7.9150@news-server.bigpond.net.au> <1hfv5wb.1x4ab1tbdzk7eN%nospam@see.signature> <4e078qF1cb6frU1@individual.net> <4e0e21F1chamsU1@individual.net> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:52:38 +0200 Message-ID: <10qtgfusyium5.1fe6t8kirrzbf$.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 May 2006 16:52:34 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 79ef9e69.newsread2.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=LfQ\[_bk\__40bn3J7ld6QQ5U85hF6f;TjW\KbG]kaMXVA=iV<7g:2UldZnH<\@K:WWRXZ37ga[7ZjTA67ckJ=XU9n3a>^_3:O_ X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:4583 comp.lang.fortran:10427 Date: 2006-05-29T16:52:34+02:00 List-Id: On Mon, 29 May 2006 16:17:06 +0200, Jan Vorbr�ggen wrote: >> Clearly, Ariane 5's case is not representative of the vast >> bulk of real-world code. > > Quite to the contrary - almost all of the world's code is in embedded > systems, Winwoes notwithstanding. > > But I believe you are overinterpreting what I said. What I wanted to say > is that error detection without corrective action is not the panacea it > is sometimes made out to be. I think one should clarify what was an error and what was a bug. Properly detected, but improperly handled errors are bugs. Bugs cannot be handled. > In the case of Ariane 501, the correct approach > IMO would have been to have a test mode (with detection) and a flight mode, > which turns on the "let's hope and pray" handling of errors and is reserved > for use only on actual launches. I don't think so. The problem (bug) wasn't in an inappropriate handling of an error. It was a false positive in error detection. Handling was correct, detection was wrong. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de