From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,899fc98b2883af4a X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 11232c,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid11232c,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-21 07:22:14 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0901.news.uu.net!spool0900.news.uu.net!reader0900.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:22:10 -0400 From: Hyman Rosen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030506 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada,misc.misc,comp.software-eng Subject: Re: Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) References: <9fa75d42.0304230424.10612b1a@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305091549.48b9c5d9@posting.google.com> <7507f79d.0305121629.5b8b7369@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305130543.60381450@posting.google.com> <254c16a.0305140549.3a87281b@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305141747.5680c577@posting.google.com> <254c16a.0305160425.3bb89749@posting.google.com> <1053091306.979352@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <7vaddj8k3d.fsf@vlinux.voxelvision.no> <7v65o78gtv.fsf@vlinux.voxelvision.no> <5ddnp-a63.ln1@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net> <1053436685.260636@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: KBC Financial Products Message-ID: <1053526931.61358@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> Cache-Post-Path: master.nyc.kbcfp.com!unknown@nightcrawler.nyc.kbcfp.com X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.253.250.10 X-Trace: 1053526932 reader0.ash.ops.us.uu.net 10195 204.253.250.10 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:64335 comp.object:63803 comp.lang.ada:37584 misc.misc:14333 comp.software-eng:19330 Date: 2003-05-21T10:22:10-04:00 List-Id: The Ghost In The Machine wrote: > The problem is that if one defines > #define begin(a) (a) > #define end(a) ((a) + sizeof(a)/sizeof((a)[0])) You really did miss my other post, didn't you? :-) template T *begin(T (&a)[N]) { return a; } template T *end (T (&a)[N]) { return a + N; } Using array references prevents the decay to pointer and allows both the array size and type to be deduced.