From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,325c54deb91283fd X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-04-25 08:01:07 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0900.news.uu.net!reader0900.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:01:00 -0400 From: Hyman Rosen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada in Iraq References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: KBC Financial Products Message-ID: <1051282861.155019@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> Cache-Post-Path: master.nyc.kbcfp.com!unknown@nightcrawler.nyc.kbcfp.com X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.253.250.10 X-Trace: 1051282862 reader0.ash.ops.us.uu.net 959 204.253.250.10 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:36543 Date: 2003-04-25T11:01:00-04:00 List-Id: Russ wrote: > We can't wait around while 40 developers come up speed. > there was "little" in-house C++ experience and we're > still paying the price for that inexperience. He has a point there. If you've got the same programmers who screwed up because they tried to develop a system in C++ without knowing C++, they'll screw up a system in Ada because they don't know Ada. Obviously, your management doesn't feel that it's necessary for programmers to be expert in the language they use. Too bad for them, and for you. > if you want to draw from the largest pool of talent, > you better be programming in C, C++ or Java. The pool is large, but it's shallow, too. You have no ides (or maybe you do) how many people claim to be expert in those languages who barely know the first thing about them. > Ultimately, any truly critical Ada feature will eventually > be added to C++ or Java. Certainly not within the timeframe of the project, if ever. And then you would be working with cutting-edge language changes, which is a recipe for disaster for production use. You're doomed. Sorry. Mind you, I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with developing a large system in C or C++. I don't even know Ada. But I'm not convinced that you're working with people who actually know C++ well enough to succeed