From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,dbd35bb508093bd9 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-12-17 08:32:07 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!spool0901.news.uu.net!spool0900.news.uu.net!reader0900.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:31:58 -0500 From: Hyman Rosen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET) References: <3DEA5CC0.6B435E66@adaworks.com> <3df55f03_2@news.tm.net.my> <1039531607.289271@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <3DF7362A.87F9FDA6@brighton.ac.uk> <1039618334.652640@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <2ttK9.2461$X56.125646@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net> <3DFF20BD.A58113F5@brighton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3DFF20BD.A58113F5@brighton.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: KBC Financial Products Message-ID: <1040142718.867309@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> Cache-Post-Path: master.nyc.kbcfp.com!unknown@nightcrawler.nyc.kbcfp.com X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.253.250.10 X-Trace: 1040142718 reader0.ash.ops.us.uu.net 15914 204.253.250.10 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:31967 Date: 2002-12-17T11:31:58-05:00 List-Id: John English wrote: > but only Iraq out of all these gets slated for regime change. For now, John, for now... :-) > I find these a lot more credible than the > ostensible reasons that the White House is giving out. But that's because you're already predisposed to dislike the US government and believe the worst about it. > execution without trial of some people in a jeep in Yemen Certainly. That's pretty much the definition of war. > and hundreds more are locked up in Cuba with neither trial, > access to a lawyer or even the protection of the Geneva Convention. Sure. More war stuff. I believe they're occasionally visited by the Red Cross, and are able to mail letters out. > a global school bully Rather, we are acting unilaterally in our own interests, attempting to ferret out those we see as ideological fellow travelers of the people who attacked us. > It seems to believe that it can imprison foreign nationals without trial We can. We have. > tear up international treaties If we can enter into them, I don't see why we can't exit them. > and impose "regime change" on foreign states > (even if democratically elected, as in Chile) Well, we can try. It doesn't always work out well. I assume we did it in Chile to fight Communism. That's not an unreasonable thing to do, since that was the great evil of its day. Democracy is only a good way of running things when it's associated with a constitutional system protecting everyone. For instance the hardline Hindu nationalist BJP party was just overwhelmingly elected in Gujarat. That might be democratic, but somehow I doubt that the Muslim minority will take any comfort. > the world finds it easy to mistrust the US The world assumes that it can heap calumny and abuse upon the US without consequence, and for the most part it is correct. Then it becomes shocked when the US does begin to exert its power becuase something has finally roused it. It reminds me of when Argentina thought it could just go and take the Falkland Islands away from England.