From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.107.6.80 with SMTP id 77mr5418727iog.11.1437097848010; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 18:50:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.138.9 with SMTP id qm9mr162536obb.34.1437097847976; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 18:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!qs7no6513213igc.0!news-out.google.com!t2ni12836igk.0!nntp.google.com!qs7no6513205igc.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 18:50:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <40184feb-4053-4ac3-8eaa-c3bd9cd8a77c@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=50.138.108.113; posting-account=yiWntAoAAAC1KqC_shmxJYv07B9l6LNU NNTP-Posting-Host: 50.138.108.113 References: <14592326-5070-4663-a864-5684298f3748@googlegroups.com> <004361da-53c4-4ea9-8cc6-38944aa6c7ad@googlegroups.com> <29dd5458-f9ce-4db8-9128-8ab35a9ce5f8@googlegroups.com> <64bc671c-72e5-4924-b703-3b907c69949c@googlegroups.com> <877fq9uj6g.fsf@theworld.com> <65061686-5c8f-433b-9b11-9e228298158e@googlegroups.com> <87k2u96jms.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <06f8a6f9-d219-4d40-b9ac-8518e93839bd@googlegroups.com> <87y4io63jy.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <7a29d3e9-d1bd-4f4a-b1a6-14d3e1a83a4d@googlegroups.com> <87mvz36fen.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <2215b44f-8a89-47c6-a4c4-52b74d2dac45@googlegroups.com> <9e492c82-868d-43d3-a18a-38274400e337@googlegroups.com> <40184feb-4053-4ac3-8eaa-c3bd9cd8a77c@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <10272577-945f-4682-85bc-8ad47f3653ae@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: If not Ada, what else... From: David Botton Injection-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 01:50:48 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:26833 Date: 2015-07-16T18:50:47-07:00 List-Id: > Since then only Ada fitted the bill of readable code and reliability on t= op of that. (I've been looking at modula back then initially.) Agreed > Now with this discussion regarding D and I even started looking at Go and= I'm puzzled. Go is Oberon with C syntax and some week concurrency features, not worthy o= f much time. Is also seriously broken for anything more than script size so= ftware. > I've read there that some people consider D dead.=20 I was not advocating D, only pointing out the next best thing to Ada, but b= y wide margin. To be precise talking about D2, D is dead and was replaced b= y D2. > Moreover, I'm not sure I can use D on all the platform I'm aiming at. Then likely you can't use Ada on them either. D has 3 backend options, GCC,= LLVM and its own. Ada only has GCC... In fact my complaint is that I can't= use Ada on the most important mobile and desktop platforms because it is m= arried to GCC. > In a nutshell I need an environment that helps me writing code right fro= m inception (the range type example is one of these things I like in Ada), = supports reliable concurrent programming, can read XML (without needing DOM= ), interface to Oracle and other RDBMS, and compile native code for Linux, = AIX, Solaris and others .... > I'm not sure D fits the complete bill and believe Ada still exceeds. D actually does everything you listed just as well or better. Ada as a lang= uage is far stronger for sure (I am one of its biggest advocates), but Ada = suffers from few bindings, foolish license games, much weaker standard runt= ime library, no package management system with automatic builds like dub (a= lthough Gnoga now has the start of one and will be in the next 1.2 release = in the coming months), Ada has a much more limited set of targets, etc. I could probably go on, but I'm an Ada advocate and right now doing what I = can to fix the holes in Ada from the shortsighted lack of almost all invest= ment in real R&D for Ada's environment by the few vendors it has had/has, m= ostly because the niche market they cater(ed) to are mostly hardware orient= ed with little need for "environment". If you use Ada today it is mostly because of the language's strengths that = were already in Ada 83 not because Ada (yet) offers a better or wider set o= f features to other languages and development environments (It simply does = not, but could and should have especially given the age and amounts of mone= y involved in the contracts of yesteryear). David Botton