From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,198c6302c4a0b0d7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-12-18 09:50:58 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.online.be!zur.uu.net!ash.uu.net!spool0900.news.uu.net!reader0901.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Hyman Rosen" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <3c1dc786@pull.gecm.com> <1008601517.470745@edh3> <1008626816.690418@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <9vls3v$en1$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3C1E941C.5010402@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Ada / C++ comparison paper Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:51:10 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Organization: KBC Financial Products Message-ID: <1008697855.857274@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> Cache-Post-Path: master.nyc.kbcfp.com!unknown@mosquito.nyc.kbcfp.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.253.250.10 X-Trace: 1008697865 reader1.ash.ops.us.uu.net 18951 204.253.250.10 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:18061 Date: 2001-12-18T12:51:10-05:00 List-Id: "martin.m.dowie" wrote in message news:P2ET7.25032$4e3.3277598@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com... > "Ed Falis" wrote in message > news:3C1E941C.5010402@mediaone.net... > > Marin David Condic wrote: > > > > Course, if you want to pick up a real C++ slammer, try Objects > > Unencapsulated by Ian Joyner. I guarantee that whatever Ed wrote will > > be completely eclipsed. ;-) > > Just in case anyone hasn't read that paper, here's a link > > http://www.elj.com/cppcv3/ > > (it is one of the most thought out papers I've come across) I was immediately drawn to section 3.2, where the author argues for whole-program type analysis. In a world of dynamic libraries and run-time code module loading, this is a futile hope. The author is an Eiffel advocate, and the need for whole-program analysis is entirely because of Eiffel's misbegotten feature of allowing a derived class to inherit its parents' methods but to restrict the parameter types, so that the child is not substitutable for its parent. Eiffel is less used than Ada, so I suppose the flop sweat is greater. Anyway, as this is neither a C++ nor an Eiffel group, I will refrain from further criticism of this paper.