From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.107.104.6 with SMTP id d6mr15473433ioc.138.1511479495383; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:24:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.157.94.7 with SMTP id d7mr1119282oti.8.1511479495303; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:24:55 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.kjsl.com!usenet.stanford.edu!d140no4866577itd.0!news-out.google.com!x87ni2982ita.0!nntp.google.com!d140no4866576itd.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:24:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.113.16.86; posting-account=lJ3JNwoAAAAQfH3VV9vttJLkThaxtTfC NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.113.16.86 References: <6a5368c5-f015-4dcb-9291-e77b40fa1bf1@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0d8203ca-7ca5-4357-a727-09d2cdc2039d@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: some trivial questions? From: Shark8 Injection-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:24:55 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: feeder.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:49127 Date: 2017-11-23T15:24:54-08:00 List-Id: On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 2:30:00 PM UTC-7, J-P. Rosen wrote: > Le 23/11/2017 =C3=A0 20:57, Blady a =C3=A9crit : > > I'm quite surprise not to find some still with Ada 83, maybe old DEC > > or IBM ones. > >=20 > > In 2017, why aren't they all at Ada 2012 standard? One clue may be > > that customers which are mainly conservative (Spatial, Aeronautics, > > Defense... domains) are not so demanding. Remember "The demand makes > > the offer". >=20 > I had endless discussions with people at GreenHills about that. Their > position is: "if we find some customer with big pockets who is willing > to pay for it, we'll make it" >=20 > I tried to explain that if a customer has a choice between a vendor who > says "if you pay a lot, you'll have it two years from now" and another > one who says "no problem, we have it off-the-shelf", the choice is > obvious... No avail, they don't seem to listen. I agree, but on the other hand I can see the logic they're going with: ther= e's no guarantee that they'll be able to sell an Ada 2012 [or 2020] compile= r, much less pay for the development thereof. On the other other hand, though, by not having a latest-standard compliant = compiler they're actually missing out on being perceived as a leader in the= field -- much like someone who programs in Algol 60 [or 68] would be regar= ded as "behind the times" by modern-day programmers, despite the language h= aving some interesting features (like assigning a non-compatable type as a = syntax error, or the parallel processing facilities).