From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.66.236.138 with SMTP id uu10mr38179119pac.38.1438122674344; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:31:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.19.208 with SMTP id 74mr580970qgh.0.1438122674084; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Path: buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!news.ripco.com!news.glorb.com!f3no4211833igg.0!news-out.google.com!b31ni1027qge.0!nntp.google.com!z61no3886472qge.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:31:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.203.145.32; posting-account=AFCLjAoAAABJAOf_HjgEEEi3ty-lG5m2 NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.203.145.32 References: <1ckwx9hern944$.1w0k6fbvlqo62$.dlg@40tude.net> <40d6112b-4b6e-45bd-9d50-2cbf5b773d70@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0b9d9227-61d8-4d55-9e6b-aa31180a2e6e@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Running a preprocessor from GPS? From: EGarrulo Injection-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 22:31:14 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: number.nntp.giganews.com comp.lang.ada:194411 Date: 2015-07-28T15:31:13-07:00 List-Id: On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 10:55:33 PM UTC+2, Randy Brukardt wrote: > "EGarrulo" wrote in message=20 > > But in this case, the meaningful line is the nested one. I don't know = any > > folding editor that supports hiding the outer level of a nested > > block. >=20 > No, there is no meaningful line here. As Dmitry said, there is no semant= ic=20 > value to the trace line, so if you are working on the core code, the enti= re=20 > trace is noise (and might as well be hidden). Trace lines can work as comments, therefore they can be very meaningful. > In any case, this is the *least* of the verbosities of using Ada. If you= =20 > can't handle this, I suspect you can't handle good Ada code, either. Perh= aps=20 > you're in the wrong place? (Not that I want to drive away possible Ada=20 > converts, but someone who does not see the value of the more verbose Ada= =20 > syntax and semantics is not likely to be happy using Ada.) I don't see Ada as verbose (except for labeled "end" clauses). Ada uses wo= rds instead of punctuation and -- by doing so -- it echoes the way I would = read the code anyway. It also requires you to be always explicit (and that= is a good thing). But here we are not talking about verbosity, we are tal= king about preventing the programmer from expressing his intentions clearly= . Lazy evaluation -- which can be mimicked with a macro in simpler cases -= - is not some exotic feature, is it?