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On Mar 4, 10:11=A0am, Hyman Rosen <hyro...@mail.com> wrote:
> On 3/4/2011 1:00 PM, KK6GM wrote:
>
> > You're simply moving the goalposts. =A0You said *all* computer
> > programs. =A0That would by definition include programs running in
> > billions of devices with 1 to 8k of program memory, and 1k or less of
> > data memory. =A0Do you really want to claim that *all* 8051 and AVR and
> > 8-bit PIC programs include a GUI?
>
> Nope. ("Billions of devices" is silly, of course, since those
> are not running billions of individually written programs.)

Nor did I claim otherwise.  But even if they were all running just one
program, your claim is falsified.

> I was just being hyperbolic. I fully agree that college classes
> in embedded device programming don't need to have their students
> write programs with graphical user interfaces.

So you agree with Dr. Dewar about the problems re Java and modern CS
programs.

BTW, I don't think all the 8-bit manufacturers (not to mention e.g.
the Cortex M0 and M3 manufacturers) are selling only to college
classrooms.