From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:6184:: with SMTP id s126-v6mr1008386itc.7.1527254995280; Fri, 25 May 2018 06:29:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:72d2:: with SMTP id p201-v6mr4053oic.14.1527254994997; Fri, 25 May 2018 06:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.uzoreto.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!u74-v6no2123829itb.0!news-out.google.com!f20-v6ni1874itd.0!nntp.google.com!v8-v6no2123257itc.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 06:29:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2a02:c7d:3c35:b000:325a:3aff:fe0f:37a5; posting-account=L2-UcQkAAAAfd_BqbeNHs3XeM0jTXloS NNTP-Posting-Host: 2a02:c7d:3c35:b000:325a:3aff:fe0f:37a5 References: <5c2523c1-9ea5-453c-b80e-9cb0dcd16de0@googlegroups.com> <293cf892-1320-49e6-a25f-a36ea098cd34@googlegroups.com> <294fa0cd-ec72-4f0f-8065-0a3d5e1087fa@googlegroups.com> <1048844682.548900254.621065.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <036cfae8-5963-43d2-a84c-b7b52682523c@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: DragonEgg has been revived From: Lucretia Injection-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 13:29:55 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:52672 Date: 2018-05-25T06:29:54-07:00 List-Id: On Friday, 25 May 2018 14:16:55 UTC+1, Simon Clubley wrote: > On 2018-05-24, Luke A Guest <> wrote: > > Chris M Moore wrote: > > > >>=20 > >> I mean who uses "overtly clearly"? > >>=20 > > > > It?s like reading posts from a spambot, isn?t it? My eyes glaze and I j= ust > > tl;rcfbb >=20 > I think I prefer the Sky59 person. (And no, that's not an invitation > for him to start posting again.) Oh god no! ;P =20 > I don't care if the compiler itself is GPL. >=20 > I _do_ care if the RTS or anything else is GPL (or even LGPL) and as > a result there are constraints imposed on my binaries or source code > when I use the compiler. I want to be able to compile programs using > the compiler without having to do anything else other than ship the > binary for my program. Major issue I agree with. =20 > This is why I talk about generated code and not the compiler. Yes, because this is the issue with the GPL and GNAT/GCC as they stand. It = is possible to have compilers which are not encumbered in this way. One of = the things I want to do is to generate SPIR-V from Ada, that would be cool = AF! =20 > The FSF runtime exception is fine for me. For now. =20 > I would like to be able to use Ada in all the places I can currently > use C and C++ code, including bare metal targets. Yes, including mobile. =20 > If I start using Ada in those places, I would be like to sure that > I can still build Ada code for those targets in 2-5 years using the > current toolchains of the day, just like I can with C and C++ code. A clear branching/tagging on the compiler sources where you can grab an ear= lier version if you need to, then fix up later versions if they fail for so= me reason. =20 > It would be nice if it was as easy to port a compiler toolchain to > a new OS or architecture as it is to port a RTOS to a new target. > This would be one answer to the lack of targets for an Ada compiler. This has to be a major factor. My uni thesis was supposed to be a Java compiler, but my "instructor" at th= e time wanted me to use GCC, I spent so much time just trying to work out G= CC I didn't get it done. If I'd just done it with Flex/Bison, it would've b= een done. GCC is way too big to handle for such a short timeframe, IMO. =20 > For those of you who have not done RTOS based development, an RTOS is Haven't, intend to. > typically very cleanly divided internally into libraries of generic >=20 > It would be nice if an Ada compiler was also that clean internally > and as well documented so that you could easily port it to a new OS > or environment yourself if you needed. The documentation needs to be external to the source, so you don't have to = go around the sources looking for stuff. This documentation can be generate= d from the source though. I agree with everything you said, apart from the sky invite &;P Luke.