From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,3d6589e7b2c60444 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-04 05:53:24 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!not-for-mail From: DPH Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: employment with ada Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 08:55:33 -0400 Organization: CompuServe Interactive Services Message-ID: <032abvk679hgdrih8r24lqmrqn8b3rvq6r@4ax.com> References: <626e8ae.0305011636.5e899da3@posting.google.com> <4mo7bvc2n70k6eikm3muu2965nbo3m77ov@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mid-tgn-now-vty10.as.wcom.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ngspool-d02.news.aol.com 1052052798 6595 216.192.81.10 (4 May 2003 12:53:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@compuserve.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 12:53:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:36929 Date: 2003-05-04T08:55:33-04:00 List-Id: On Sun, 04 May 2003 04:55:01 GMT, "Steve" wrote: >"DPH" wrote in message >news:4mo7bvc2n70k6eikm3muu2965nbo3m77ov@4ax.com... >[snip] >> >> 2) If they hire someone and train them in Ada, and designate them to >> program in Ada, all too often that person thinks to himself, "I'm >> learning a dead langauge, with nowhere to go if this project fails or >> completes" and the next thing you know, that person is in an exit >> interview, looking for a job that will provide "marketable skills." > >In todays job market I'd be suprised to see many programmers turn down jobs >in any language, especially if the company will train. Today's job market would seem to cut both ways - why would anyone want to be saddled with no experience in the most common languages such as C++ and Java? If the person is assigned to a "dead language", and _can_ find another job, why would they not take it? After all, they are assumedly attempting to build a career, and Ada is now "poetry written in sanskrit." >I just read an article in ComputerWorld that implies it won't be long and we >won't need to worry about the programming language... it will be outsourced >to another country (speaking from an American perspective). Yes, with this nonsense going on, I wonder if "the economy" can ever recover when our jobs are all going overseas. The unions are right. You can't sell an new Chevy to an auto worker laid off because of competition from Toyota, nor can you sell a Mustang GT to a programmer laid off 'cuz his source code is being written in India, or by Indians working here on an H1B. The Indians working here aren't going to buy it either with their much-less-than-customary salary that they mostly send back home anyway. Incidentally, I am sitting here thinking about finally dropping CompuServe (after being with them for 12 years) and going with earthlink, possibly earthlink satellite service, since I find the help desk either unavailable (its closed right now - what's with a help desk closing AT ALL?) or incompetent. Right now, for the last 3 days, I've had big problems connecting. And when something like this happens on a weekend, it is a problem until someone wanders in on Monday and kicks a server or something. Podunk service has come to CompuServe. Also, I had a billing problem a few months ago, and the obviously-Indian accented people could not tell me why my CompuServe bill was suddenly $80 instead of $25. They suggested calling my phone company. Clueless. I went around with these people for maybe 45 minutes, hung up, called again later, got someone obviously American (sounded Texan, actually), and I got the info I wanted within 10 minutes. American industry can "outsource" their work all they want, but that doesn't mean they're going to get competent work, or anyone familiar with the way things are done on this continent. Dave Head >Steve >(The Duck) > >[snip] >> >> Dave Head