From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, RATWARE_MS_HASH,RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,e78bf08926a9187e X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: "Bob Klungle" Subject: Re: Helping Students Date: 1997/01/21 Message-ID: <01bc077b$b01577a0$98491ecc@p5120.bda>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 211220849 references: <97011914552816@psavax.pwfl.com> <5bu5f6$hdk@saturn.brighton.ac.uk> <5bukg7$sgg@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <5c19q5$b56@felix.seas.gwu.edu> organization: B & D Associates x-netcom-date: Tue Jan 21 3:09:09 AM CST 1997 newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1997-01-21T03:09:09-06:00 List-Id: As an instructor in Ada, C, C++, Unix, Unix advanced programming at UCLA, I wholeheartedly agree. Bob Klungle rklungle@ix.netcom.com Michael Feldman wrote in article <5c19q5$b56@felix.seas.gwu.edu>... > In article <5bukg7$sgg@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > FerretWoman wrote: > > [snip] > > >To all the students I say this...go see your teacher! If you want to > >chat up here about the types of things you are learning that's fine, > >but when it comes to a problem, don't expect these people to solve it > >for you. That's not learning...that could be considered cheating... > > Whether it's cheating or not depends on the course rules, which ought > to be spelled out by the prof. > > More to the point, though - generally, we intro-course teachers try to > give projects that are within the grasp of our students. Generally, > we're not interested in seeing them fail, we're interested in seeing > them succeed. Obviously I can't speak for John English, but in my own > course (intro-level, like his), I'm very much interested in having > students ask _me_ (or my TA) for help. How do we calibrate the > difficulty of our exercises, how do we help to bail out students who > are in trouble, if they don't come to us? > > So I say to my CLA friends: if a student asks for help, I can;t prevent > you from giving hints, but one of the hints ought to be something like > "have you taken advantage of the help offered by your prof and others > associated with the course?" > > Mike Feldman > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Michael B. Feldman - chair, SIGAda Education Working Group > Professor, Dept. of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science > The George Washington University - Washington, DC 20052 USA > 202-994-5919 (voice) - 202-994-0227 (fax) > http://www.seas.gwu.edu/faculty/mfeldman > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Pork is all that money the government gives the other guys. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ada on the WWW: www.acm.org/sigada/education or www.adahome.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >