From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, PP_MIME_FAKE_ASCII_TEXT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,be23df8e7e275d73 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-17 08:06:36 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!opentransit.net!proxad.net!feeder2-1.proxad.net!nnrp6.proxad.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "nicolas" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <0zS27.187213$DG1.31590366@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com> <3B4FEFDE.10E7B423@snafu.de> <9iuvsd$361$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9j12ic$bvi$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net> <9j1ee8$258$1@nh.pace.co.uk> Subject: Re: An Ada IDE and discussions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: <%vY47.3041$Aw2.4266090@nnrp6.proxad.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:06:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.101.131.241 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net X-Trace: nnrp6.proxad.net 995382395 195.101.131.241 (Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:06:35 CEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:06:35 CEST Organization: Guest of ProXad - France Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:10066 Date: 2001-07-17T15:06:35+00:00 List-Id: "Marin David Condic" a �crit dans le message news: 9j1ee8$258$1@nh.pace.co.uk... > Well, its not *my* product and I don't earn a living directly or indirectly > from it so I'm more on the "customer" side of things. Well, I just meant that if compiler vendors are waiting for their potential customers to do their job, they'd better not be in a hurry :-) Especially when they say more or less : "You want to use Ada ? You should be ashamed not contributing to tools that everybody expects to come with a decent compiler ..." > to this: If I'm trying to build a GUI, I have alternatives as to what tools > are available to do that job. If someone has a GUI builder out there that is > well documented and includes all the info I need to use it versus (maybe a > perfectly wonderful) tool that "hides its light under a bushel basket" by > not having all the info one needs to effectively use it, which way do you > think I'm likely to go? I guess we agree that you are likely to go the same way every sensible person would go ... > I've done GUI building on the Windows platform and you're right about > wanting things to look familiar. I'm willing to accept that the GtkAda GUI > builder operates on different concepts and that I would have to learn how to > develop using those concepts. That's where I'm saying there is a missing > layer of documentation. If a toolmaker wants to build something that > operates differently from what the end-user is used to seeing, maybe that is > a good thing, but to do so implies that the toolmaker is going to have to > help the customer transition to the new paradigm. Otherwise, we stick to > what we know... :-) Well, on that specific point, Win32 programming is such a standard, that I'm not sure that there is any choice. It's up to Ada vendors to provide something natural and intuitive for Win32 programmers if they want to survive. Or at least something natural and intuitive to Java programmers who find almost everything coming with their compiler. Why trying to promote others concepts than those which satisfy almost everybody ? After all, Ada is about standards, reuse, and not invent the wheel again every day.