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From: Jeffrey Carter <spam@spam.com>
Subject: Re: Ada exception block does NOT work?
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:13:47 -0700
Date: 2005-08-18T09:13:47-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <%s2Ne.2$5F1.1@dfw-service2.ext.ray.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <de1hpr$4s$1@sunnews.cern.ch>

Maciej Sobczak wrote:
> 
> Why do you claim that Ada's exceptions are "better integrated into the 
> language than in the languages that throw and catch them"?

The core of C++ was designed before exceptions were added to the 
language, so the main part of the language is not designed with 
exceptions in mind. Ada's design included exceptions from the beginning, 
and exceptions are part of the definition of the semantics of all parts 
of the language. That's the basis of the claim.

This appears in different ways, which considered independently may not 
be sufficiently compelling as support for the claim. The try/catch block 
is one such symptom. That the C++ core language tends to have 
undefined/implementation-defined semantics where Ada has semantics 
defined in terms of exceptions is another.

Other C descendants seem to have adopted C++'s exception handling syntax 
and semantics, with varying degrees of back fitting to the core language.

> Note that those other languages can throw regular objects as exceptions, 
> thus enabling polymorphism when they are handled. One could say that 
> *this* is the point of good integration and that Ada's exceptions are a 
> conceptual patch that did not integrate with the rest of the object 
> model, leading to two separate spaces of language entities instead of 
> only one.

The idea that disparate concepts should be implemented using a single 
mechanism is generally a poor one. Not everything should be viewed as a 
number; not everything should be viewed as an object; not everything 
should be implemented with inheritance and dispatching; not everything 
should be implemented with tasks and protected objects.

On a more concrete level, Ada's was initially intended for critical, 
real-time, embedded SW. Allowing an arbitrary object to be used 
as/associated with an exception in such systems may not be a good idea.

Additionally, Ada allows nested scopes, which C and its descendants do 
not. This allows the existence of anonymous exceptions, exceptions that 
have propagated out of the scope of their definitions. Allowing 
arbitrary objects as/associated with exceptions gives rise to a similar 
set of problems as allowing type extensions at a deeper scope than the 
parent.

-- 
Jeffrey Carter
"Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time."
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-08-18 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-16  8:48 Ada exception block does NOT work? bubble
2005-08-16  9:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-08-16  9:32   ` bubble
2005-08-16  9:42     ` gautier_niouzes
2005-08-16 15:25       ` Frank J. Lhota
2005-08-16 16:58         ` Svesse
2005-08-16 17:48           ` Björn Persson
2005-08-16 18:12             ` Svesse
2005-08-16 18:17           ` Frank J. Lhota
2005-08-17 10:53         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-08-17 11:34           ` Anders Wirzenius
2005-08-17 18:08             ` Björn Persson
2005-08-17 19:05               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-08-18 15:58               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-08-16 12:30     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-08-16 17:39       ` Björn Persson
2005-08-16 19:43         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-08-17  1:39     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-08-17  7:22       ` Maciej Sobczak
2005-08-18  1:05         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-08-18  8:44           ` Maciej Sobczak
2005-08-18 11:40             ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-08-18 12:56               ` Maciej Sobczak
2005-08-18 14:42                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-08-18 18:03                 ` Martin Krischik
2005-08-18 13:15               ` Alex R. Mosteo
2005-08-18 15:23                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-08-18 18:00                 ` Martin Krischik
2005-08-18 16:13             ` Jeffrey Carter [this message]
2005-08-18 16:38               ` Hyman Rosen
2005-08-18 18:07                 ` jimmaureenrogers
2005-08-18 18:44                   ` Hyman Rosen
2005-08-18 20:52                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2005-08-19  0:57                     ` jimmaureenrogers
2005-08-19  7:52                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-08-19 14:41                       ` Robert A Duff
2005-08-19 17:48                   ` Martin Krischik
2005-08-19 14:58                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-08-18 17:54             ` Martin Krischik
2005-08-18 20:56             ` Robert A Duff
2005-08-18 22:01               ` Hyman Rosen
2005-08-19  2:35               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-08-20 15:28                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-08-20 20:24                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-08-20 21:34                     ` Robert A Duff
2005-08-20 22:47                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2005-08-20 23:34                         ` Robert A Duff
2005-08-21 11:18                           ` Simon Wright
2005-08-21 16:59                             ` tmoran
2005-08-21 19:48                               ` Simon Wright
2005-08-21 16:07                           ` Frank J. Lhota
2005-08-21 16:23                           ` Martin Krischik
2005-08-21  1:12                       ` Björn Persson
2005-08-21  9:01                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-08-21 16:14                       ` Martin Krischik
2005-08-21  4:02                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-08-19 12:34               ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-08-19 17:29                 ` Martin Krischik
2005-08-19 18:14                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2005-08-21 16:02                     ` Martin Krischik
2005-08-21 16:48                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2005-08-22 15:51                         ` Martin Krischik
2005-08-23  0:32                       ` Larry Elmore
     [not found]                         ` <h5dlg1tsie8n3ikirvbi508t9afobhctkj@4ax.com>
2005-08-23 18:09                           ` Martin Krischik
2005-08-23 19:50                             ` C history Björn Persson
2005-08-27 21:09                             ` Ada exception block does NOT work? Dave Thompson
2005-08-24  1:07                           ` Larry Elmore
2005-08-24  2:36                             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-08-25  0:14                               ` Larry Elmore
2005-08-26  2:44                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-08-24 16:44                             ` Martin Krischik
2005-08-22  8:12                     ` Hyman Rosen
2005-08-18 21:15             ` Robert A Duff
2005-08-19 12:00               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-08-17 20:24 ` Simon Wright
2005-08-18 19:36   ` Björn Persson
2005-08-18 21:07     ` Simon Wright
2005-08-22 10:47 ` bubble
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